I think what the "layman" or "laywoman" should understand is...
There are many different levels to doing anything professionally. Some of the most well produced entries I have heard here come from people that I know to be really low level announcers at low level affiliate NPR stations that don't even have their own local hour or 1/2 hour shows. A lot of people here that have really great entries are, for example, the people that read your traffic announcements in the morning. Are they professionals? Sure, in that they make their living in radio and probably have at least a BA in communications or journalism or music.
But does that mean they are beyond the game? Definitely not, in my eyes. I have not seen one single entry that seemed to come from an elite.
Most local stations have extremely few venues for people to show off their real hosting skills. I don't know if most NPR listeners appreciate this, but there are extremely few locally produced shows on any particular NPR affiliate station. One I interned for had approximately 4: several hours of jazz with announcers, a Sunday of blues with one announcer, a highly produced blues show that was much shorter in length, and a one day a week local version of Here and Now. Of course, there was also the local news, and occasionally the chance to have a local news story nationally broadcast, but most of the people in these stations aren't stars by any means and most of them certainly will never be national stars.
The talent quest provides different opportunities than even working in an NPR affiliate will ever produce. Or than producing a successful podcast will ever produce.
Secondly, most people that do radio do it out of love. It is not exactly a place to get a great wage (probably not the worst, but among professional fields not amazing). It seems to me that people can often get into radio without advanced degrees beyond a BA or BS or whatever, but that doesn't mean that they don't have to do a lot of work to get even what most listeners might consider the basic job in radio.
There is a lot of independent learning that goes into radio. And people do the learning because they are committed to radio. For example, i, as a college radio DJ, do at least 8-10 hours of work for every two hour show, for free! I do it out of love. And i have been learning skills on my own.
I really think this enhances my ability to appreciate good radio. I think that people don't realize that good radio is extremely labor intensive and takes a lot of skills. In this competition, it seems like people think that anyone who has an interest should be considered for a national spot.
and, frankly, that just isn't fair. I just don't think that a person that has never done anything with audio before will win this contest, and I don't think that someone who has never done any audio before SHOULD win this contest. Skill is an expression of commitment and dedication and a real long-term love affair with whatever you are doing. Lack of skill doesn't make anyone less of a person, but lack of skill does demonstrate that people do not value radio enough to be absolutely obsessed by it and want to do it for their life's work.
If you check my bio, you can see that I am clearly not set on doing radio for my life's work. Do I expect to win this contest? NO!!!!! I am just a college radio dj that likes playing music and doing interviews. But I know I am committed to radio, I have worked on it for four years, and it is very important to me. If I don't expect to win, i don't understand why people that just picked up a mic last week expect to win, or think that it is unfair that more experienced people might win.
To me, if we are going to claim that we have a meritocracy in this country (which we DON"T because of racism and classism and homophobia and nationalism re immigration status, ETC), but if we are going to claim to have it, i don't see why people that have devoted their lives to radio should get the short shrift.
That doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
So i implore people to stop making mad/snotty comments about people with radio experience. These people deserve your affection and respect for producing the media you listen to every day, often with very little acclaim.
That is all,
Elizabeth
delicious
diggI'm not quite sure why people are making a big fuss over any of this. We really have no idea how the judges are going to judge, apart from the very amorphous notion of "hostiness." In that regard, we're all in the same boat. Sure, some people may have had access to fancier equipment, echo machines, sound overlay machines, etc., but when you strip that away you're left with a voice, which I think is what the judges will be looking for.
If anything, I suspect that having "no radio experience" might work in a person's favor, in that they come into this without any preconceived notion of what a show ought to sound like, and thus might be able to offer something fresh.
That said, I don't think that just because somebody has had radio experience means they "deserve" it more. I think most of us here have just simply never been given the opportunity--thus the rationale for entering. You can't pay your dues if nobody even lets you into the ballgame to begin with.
I think that a person who "just picked up a mic" a week ago ought to have as much chance of winning as someone who works at a radio station. After all, EVERYBODY now with their own show on NPR started off someplace, at one time or another.
To me, this is all about opportunity--one's background, experience, skin color, income bracket, ability to afford fancy mixing machines, etc. shouldn't matter.
But what, at the end of the day, do I really know? This is just my very humble opinion.
it is true that there is an entry barrier to poor people and people of color in almost any job field. I think i stated that quite clearly in my message above about how America is not a meritocracy by any means.
However, I find that people probably can afford to be interested in media if they want to be. My "fancy" mixer cost under $100, and my fancy mic cost about $60. Perhaps this may seem expensive, but in the wider scheme of things, i don't think it is. Compared to the amount of money that most people spend on, for example, their cars, or alcohol, or clothing, i really don't think it is THAT substatial. I mean, how much do people pay for a TV? I don't have a TV, and maybe that is why i can afford to own audie equipment. The two are roughly analogous in price.
Regarding fresh perspectives, as i have said below, it is true that sometimes outsiders will come up with fresh perspectives. However, it is also true that outsiders often come up with often-repeated ideas, think they are new, and haven't had the regularity of experience to know that they are not. I think lack of experience sometimes leads people to just mimic what they have seen or heard and often not comprehend that it is what they are doing. It becomes easier to understand many things with repeated exposure.
Furthermore, there are radio opportunities out there for people that want to take them on. I have done an internship and have then been employed and have already found another station in my next town. All with fairly minimal effort aside from the volunteering. Unless your community does not have any stations, or unless they refuse to take volunteers, I can't imagine that there are NO ways for people to be involved in radio if they really want to.
My post was simply about the negative comments that people have been making about people with "experience," most of whom are underpaid and underappreciated. the malice/jugement against them is not deserved.
My post was not meant to denigrate people with no experience.
However, in most performing arts or media fields, i would much rather watch or listen to someone that has tried many times in the past to perfect what they are doing. I have taught beginner dance for a living, and, let me tell you, the ones that think they are amazing after the first few lessons are often the worst dancers (and painful to watch). the process of getting better involves subsuming one's own ego, admitting that you aren't going to be fantastic, and working on it until you are at least acceptable to yourself.
This is as opposed to people that somehow think that their personal genius is so stellar that they can simply jump in, make a two minute recording for the first time in their life, and be given a national NPR show. that just seems strange. and holding the experience of the people that have entered against them also seems strange.
I thought there was an interesting quote on Fresh Air that really summed this up. It was an interview with Uta Hagen. It was aired on monday the 21st and concerned how insulting it can be to actors when the general public assumes that acting is easy and not based on years of work or theory. she was saying that people assume it will be really easy to understand, whereas they wouldn't make the same assumptions about other professions at all (e.g. particle physics). i think that radio is an art like acting, and that when people assume that good radio is automatic and easy, they really don't understand the process. Good radio takes a lot of labor and skill. Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean it isn't there.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10295675
I believe that anyone from any background has the potential to do it-- if they WORK on it (and, possibly, with the help of affirmative action for those that have been discriminated against)! But work and experience is the key to doing anything, and i don't really see how people can logically disagree with that... unless they get their jobs completely through nepotism or something like that.
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
Here's the very sad truth: when you read my bio, I sound like a so-called pro. But as you point out, Elizabeth, many do radio as a labor of love.
For four years I produced and was head writer for a local radio show that won both regional and national awards. I voiced and produced short segments, participated in the opening chat segment, and in the final year, co-hosted the whole hour-long live show. We did a brand-new live show 49 out of 52 weeks a year, with live and phone-in guests and open phone lines. The only time we repeated a show was during Christmas, New Year's, and one week in summer - the three weeks we supposedly 'took' off. So we had content on every week in the year.
WE NEVER WERE PAID A SINGLE DOLLAR FOR ANY OF OUR WORK. We did it for free - actually, we paid for many out-of-pocket expenses.
We fund-raised to get sponsors - all that money went to the station. We purchased mugs and pens promoting the show. The station was very accommodating and grateful for our work, and they would have kept us on indefinitely, but we all burned out after doing this for four years with no compensation. But it opened doors for me, and gave me a foothold in doing local television, albeit briefly.
Even pros can't make a living at it, because at the local level, there's no money. Even at higher levels, the money is never secure unless you become a mainstay of the NPR or PRI pipeline, but to get there and to syndicate, it's hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I am not really a pro - just someone who was fortunate enough to do radio for a time, and loved it all the time she did it.
-- Linda
Visit me in my House by the Sea:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/1432
http://blog.syracuse.com/communitycritics/linda_lowen/
You have a Heart Of Gold! Isn't it illegal to make so much sense?!
I certainly have no experience in radio at all (beyond helping my dad on his blues show when I was 8), but I deeply love it, am obsessed with listening to it (particularly the BBC, because in England its not a marginalized art form, but a fully programmed stepping stone to television and beyond, as well as wonderful pond to live in if you happen to carve out a little niche), and couldn't have been MORE excited at the opportunity to enter in this thing! I don't expect to win either, I only want to get heard. I'd never made one of these things before, and now I called off a hot date tonight to write a few more! So this competition is a wonderful and fun few weeks' worth of obsession and networking for me, and I'm loving it!
Exclamation point!
Oh, and go listen to my entry and vote on it so I can win because my interest is purely selfish!
www.publicradioquest.com/node/1319
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy" - Spike Milligan
thanks for not saying "hooker with a heart of gold"! hahahahaha.
I don't know why, but that is the main phrase that i think of when i hear "heart of gold."
also scroll down and see my comment re: bafflegab.
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
The best input for paradigm shifts has historically been from people who don't "know" enough not to try something outrageous. That would be people from the outside who know nothing about the industry and have no pre-conceived ideas.
I think it's always best to listen to everybody assuming that great ideas can come from the experienced and the grassroots upstart (hey we all have to start somewhere) Yes, sometimes we DO get to skip the dues paying. Dues paying is so last year. ;0)
I'm just glad I'm not a judge.
May everyone be inspired to go forth with their own message!
Sally
elizabeth. I think that your post makes so much sense....to someone who is on the inside of the business. no one who has not picked up a mic should not rise to the top by missing all of the steps...is how i take (or im sorry to oversimplify, i know its much deeper then what i am saying) your message. but then why have this competition? from my point of view, its sort of giving a chance for anybody who might not have taken the radio route.
i have been training for over ten years with the same passion for my profession, architecture, but when a client or random schmoe has a great building design or raw idea, i dont say, "hey, you are missing steps, not thinking of all these other details that you know nothing about." i say and think, "what a great idea from a fresh perspective. if you were not an outsider, not tied down to many limitations that we become accustomed to, then you might not have come up with such a fresh perspective." NOT THAT WE SCHMOES HAVE SUCH A FRESH PERSPECTIVE, just maybeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. And if not, then not. So I think thats a good argument for someone who can learn from scratch the many technical aspects of radio...at times its good to have people who have not been sort of trained in the professsion come in and take a look around. maybe thats why there is an open competition...instead of an invited or qualified one.
.. but that all of the bitterness people are displaying about "people with experience" is unfounded and uncritical.
I think that average people can know something abiout anything. I am a big lover of oral history and have probably done 100 oral history interivews for various projects. That is all about giving credit to people's everyday knowledge.
But sometimes experience provides really necessary insight.
As for me, i think that an average person can perhaps have some taste in, say, architecture, and if all of the average people are telling the architects that their work is lame, maybe it should be taken into account.
but i don't really want to have the average person making all of the calls on the engineering of the building. that just sounds baaaaaad!
Also, i sort of want people to realize that not winning the national search for a public radio position is not the ultimate measure of their potential.
Hence my comment in which i show that only the top 0.7% will place in the top 10. And if members of the top 0.7% are just so talented that they can make it to that kind of level without any training whatsoever, then more power to them. It is just really really unlikely. And I mean that it is unlikely because of the skills earned by people with some radio experience, not the "prestige" of doing a podcast or being on local npr or being on local community or college radio.
and skill is born of love (or your parents forcing you to do something... but that is another story.. hahahahah).
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
..if anything, the people who know what they are doing give the site and competition more validity and raise the bar...a good thing (because you cant see my excited eyebrows.)
you bring up a good point, there are many facets to, say, architecture, as you put it. aesthetics and structures are two extremes...just as i'm sure good international relations and the bush administration are.
tom fudge, the local talk show host in san diego, was a bus driver before his radio gig. i like his point of view a lot, because i think i knew he once was a bus driver...not a communications major. i mean, the car talk guys were also not in radio previously. it just seems as if we are trained to think that just because its our chosen profession, that we are the only ones skilled in the profession, that we put in our time, etc... i think basically, this debate has become about territorality. do you think its gone that low?
I'm all for skill and talent and experience. But won't they be giving the winners producers to work with, to provide for any missing experience or technical expertise? And aren't they looking to shake things up, a fresh voice? After all, we've all seen the Saturday Night Live skit about the "typical" sound of NPR...
Some of the skills one learns are presentation, writing and content. Now, you can learn these in other fields, but there are other skills people in radio learn aside from production that might give them an "advantage."
Also, the newest people in any field generally DO have fresh ideas and methods that aren't yet being provided by the most successful and longest running shows.
Just because someone has some semblance of training doesn't mean that they can't do something innovative and heretofore unknown. I actually think they are more likely to, because they have seen much more of what is out there. Experiencing a lot of material helps you realize what things are not actually new, and identify what things are.
I think that people are being really simplistic and reductionistic when they dichotomize between "pros" and "schmoes."
I also think that people are taking this contest far too personally.
People's tastes have variations. People's values have variations. Let's just celebrate the diversity instead of separating people into an unfounded "us" and "them."
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
A mix helps keep it fresh. Though I agree that the pros raise the bar and the validity of the site. That's a good thing. Now us Joes can feel like we snuck into something that keeps high standards. But I think (or hope) that the judges will be looking more for the Joes. The chance to mold raw talent into success is more satisfying than riding the coattails of an established star.
Jim Barfuss
http://www.publicradioquest.com/user/2824
“It is not success to succeed at being something you are not.”
but my point here is that nobody in the contest is an "established star".... they may run some shows, but mostly they just do the regular daily toil. I don't think anyone here is already a star. and i think that assertions that there are any people on here that are actually stars are just silly.
we are all regular people!!!! there are no elites among us!
for some reason, a highly skilled producer and substitute host of several shows of the NPR affiliate in the 4th largest market in the US (with one of the highest levels of both listenership and membership in the country), who also periodically co-hosts national specials, has submitted an entry. Since I admire her work (usually more than the hosts she produces for), I'm all for her rise to a national spot, but she's hardly the professional who rips and reads the traffic reports.
I imagine there are more than one highly professional participants in this.
This is a radio contest, it's a popularity contest, it's a fun way to spend a few weeks, it's a chance to watch people market themselves (some ways are so ingenious and some are really creepy)... it's a lot of things, so why are we continually trying to *make* ourselves feel good about it, like we have a chance to win, or that we are 'just as important' as the highly skilled radio/podcast professional - why is winning, or the potential of winning, STILL so much on our minds, when we have no real say in the matter at this point? I feel good just having stretched my mind and listening to others who have done the same.
I say, let's enjoy it for what it is - yeah, it's a chance to win BUT it's a better chance to listen to some interesting and/or funny people.
Welcome to HipHop U!
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/8590
possibly because they occupy a low enough post in the radio ladder that they don't think that they are being referred to, hahahaha.
but also because the way that this website is set up it is very hard to talk back to people because you expect people will just go and lower your points on your entry.
hence the earlier posts on why this is a "nicer" website than other chat forums... i am pretty sure it is because we are sort of public personalities that can benefit from being "nice" to people. e.g. not talking back.
but i have noticed a LOT of people without experience being snarky about people who mostly hold low level or volunteer jobs in radio.
The most prestigious job I can tell is the person that runs the station in Idaho, which isn't exactly Los Angeles, no insult intended at all to that person, but it is not a national market.
I too value other people's experience. I have to say that is part of why I have been voting on content as opposed to strictly voice. I think it is good to have a wide variety of experience (again, check my bio if you doubt this, hahah, i am not exactly a radio legacy applicant).
But i also think that people have unreasonable expectations as to what they should get out of this contest. Goal one should not be to win, because that is an unreasonable goal for 99.3% of us. It should be, for people who are new to radio, to learn about radio if they are interested, and for people that are more into radio, maybe winning, but better than that, networking. That is what I have been doing and what most of my ideas have led to.
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
because the way that this website is set up it is very hard to talk back to people because you expect people will just go and lower your points on your entry.
That never even occurred to me...and now that the possibility is out there that people would change their rating of me based on what I say in a comment...I don't care.
If someone changes what they think of my entry based on a comment I made, that's really just too bad for them. I'm not so easily swayed. I've never changed a ranking for anyone I've listened to, no matter what they said in a comment. If I liked or disliked their entry, that's that.
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http://www.publicradioquest.com/node/805
Are you talking about me? I think I'm the only person from Idaho entered in the Quest. But I could be wrong. Anyway, you flatter me. "Prestigous Job!" Wow. I feel like I just got a promotion. Um, I was totally with you on this thread. Until you dropped that. I don't have a prestigious job. I barely get paid. I am part-time. But, looks like things may change in the future. Anyway, as you mentioned before, I do this out of love. My title is WAY more prestigious than the actual job. I do not consider myself an expert at all! There is someone entered who works for Oregon Public Broadcasting -- that's huge. Another who is a real reporter for public radio somewhere in California. People who have night shows in LA. People who Podcast. They are all way more impressive than me. And, no offense taken at being the butt of your joke. I could go off on that, but I won't. Idaho is not Los Angeles. No, it's a state -- a state with only a little more than a million people in it. So, you are right. I'm a big fish in a little pond, which means I'm nobody important, really. Anyway, since you're another Elizabeth active in the forums, I thought we should get acquainted. I think some people may be confusing us.
elizabeth
news director
morning host/producer
kisu 91.1 fm pocatello, idaho
but the reason i picked you was that you are just a normal person. You are a person I could see their comments about "professionals" relating to. I was sort of trying to say that you might have the most prestigious radio job out of all the entries, but really it isn't excessively prestigious, and you are still an underdog in terms of the wide world of radio. However, in this contest you might be perceived as a "professional" with an "unfair" advantage because you aren't a "normal joe" and have a "silver spoon... ahem... silver microphone" in your mouth. Of course the last things were sarcasm. My point is that you may be very accomplished in terms of the standards of this contest, but you are still a (bright and shining) small fish in the big big world of media and making you and others like you into MONSTERS with EXPERIENCE who are taking the chances away from ordinary joes is just silly. You are a totally normal person, but probably have just committed a lot of your life to radio out of love and passion. I totally wasn't insulting you. i was trying both to legitimate your own experience but also show that you are a human and that your entry is just as valid in these contests as the complete amateur entry in terms of "coming from the masses, being of the streets, being of the real people, salt of the earth, etc."
that is sort of what i meant
hope no offense was taken.
i am a little drunk right now so i hope it was comprehensible.
:)
Elizabeth
No worries, Elizabeth.
I'm in a similar state. Just came from a birthday party. No offense taken, it's just weird to have someone I haven't really interacted with much use me as an example before I have a chance to weigh in on the subject. To clear things up a bit, no I haven't dedicated a lot of my life to radio. I have dedicated some of it to radio. I am not much older than you are. I am still learning my way around the station. And, I am trying to get used to the fact that people know my name and my voice and get all star-struck and impressed when they meet me. And, especially since I've only worked for this station since January.
I have tried to not take offense to the people dissing those of us who have jobs or volunteer in public radio. And, I appreciate what you are trying to say with this thread, but I would prefer not being used as an example. I wish people realized that they can work in public radio too, if they don't mind getting paid crap wages, or not getting paid at all. They can volunteer to learn how to be a board operator. They can volunteer to program a radio show. There are so many community radio stations out there that run on volunteers alone. Here I am as proof that it is possible to go from volunteer to paid employee. True, not everyone can do it. But, the option is out there to at least try to get involved at a local station.
I didn't enter this contest thinking I'd advance to the next round. I just wanted to see how far I could go, and who I could meet along the way. So far, it's been great. I feel so validated. I think the people who have expressed that they think it is unfair that we are in the contest are just saying that out of insecurity and ignorance. I try not to fret about it. They just think this is the only opportunity they will ever have to get on the air. As we both know, they are mistaken.
-e
yeah i probably should have been more vague and less drunk.
I used the example of you because you were just the person that first popped into my mind because you do morning programs, etc. on a local station. People might be considering you the untouchable high "PRO".
I meant to say, that, sure, this girl has a lot of experience but really, she isn't an elite. Even though she gets paid... she still clearly does not run a nation wide program that can be heard all over the country every day.
So I think that people here who might be considered "PRO" (by the people that have never made a recording before) are actually just average every day joes too... they just happen to have some experience making radio.
No worries! I understand. So, if you can drunk-dial someone, drunk-email someone, would this be drunk-posting? or maybe drunk-ranting? Ah, regardless. Glad you brought up the topic. I've been wondering what other people were thinking about the tension that sometimes pops up between the newbies and the not-so-newbies.
-e
Goal one should not be to win, because that is an unreasonable goal for 99.3% of us.
My goal is to get noticed enough for a local show, actually. I don't expect to advance.
Or, at least to get noticed enough to get a writing job for someone else's show. I'd be very happy with that! :)
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http://www.publicradioquest.com/node/805
Your entry is great! If any program directors worth their salt are listening they'll at least contact you to see what you might be able to provide!
I think this thread is probably getting to its end. Elizabeth was just making the point that you don't see a lot of the "radio people" (which just can't fail to make me think of people with pink Bakelite sets for heads a la the Buzzcocks' "Orgasm Addict" cover but, ya know, not an iron) being sarcastic or rude or mean to some of the entries which are, with all due respect, recorded by someone who downloaded a free program that day, and isn't even panned to the middle and has TONS of hiss and fuzz on top, although you see whole threads devoted to "why do people who know what they're doing seem to be getting better comments and presumably higher ratings?"
I don't come from radio, but from audio production, and I must say its strange that in general the hiss/fuzz/bad recording doesn't actually bother me much. That said, by and large I have chosen not to comment on it even when it is a problem, attempting to say something useful about the actual content of the piece. More often that not though, as these things often go, the lack of even semi-presentable audio is married to a lack of a topic or anything that might help distinguish that entry from the other 1305 or however many.
Basically, the point is this: If you have a great idea, skilled or not, you should be able to find a way to get it across. If you have neither a great idea nor skill, don't be angry at someone who displays one or the other. THAT'S being mean, if you ask me. Elizabeth's right, that if you picked up a mic that morning and didn't even write a script or anything, its pretty unpleasant to start acting like YOU were the person the contest was designed for and that all these other people who have learned basic or advanced skills in sound or writing are just clogging up the works, preventing you from winning (like that's even the point!).
Everybody just be cooool, m'kay?
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy" - Spike Milligan
Your entry is great!
You're very kind. :)
I would hope that potential is worth more than chops in a contest like this, to be honest. You can't teach some things about radio announcing, you either have 'it' or you don't (whatever 'it' is determined to be).
I got my first paid on-air gig because my PD heard something in my natural sound. I talked too much and too long at first (and clearly, I still write that way ;)) and had to learn to reign myself in. Be concise and compelling in as short a time as possible. Make an impact but don't make my home in it. That had to be taught to me. But whatever 'it' was, I was lucky to have it.
If someone with no prior experience has 'it' and gets a shot at the prize, I'd be thrilled for that person. I don't think that experience is a bad thing and no one should begrudge anyone for having experience. I'm really glad I've missed whatever ugliness inspired these posts (pros vs. shmoes). It's a shame that some folks have to talk sh!t about other folks when we're all in the same boat and in the same moat waiting to be pulled ashore.
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Please listen, then vote and comment if you are willing, to my 2 minutes of funk (sans funk)
http://www.publicradioquest.com/node/805
In the interests of brevity I say to you...
No diggity!
"All I ask is the chance to prove that money can't make me happy" - Spike Milligan
I see that every day in activism.... hahahahahah...
plus BAFFLEGAB on KUCR, haha.
also good for you i am doing my show LIVE from Riverside next week so I can totally play your clip because i don't have to use audition!!!
yay!
Elizabeth
My entry at Public Radio Quest:
http://www.publicradioquest.com/audio/user/7572
My College Radio Myspace (feel free to friend me!):
http://www.myspace.com/girlsongprimerradio
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