Good music vs. bad lawsuits

Submitted by Jenathan on April 28, 2007 - 8:10am. ::

One of the best things about public radio is hearing the perfect song fade up under an interview. Radio stations have all kinds of tricks for staying on the right side copyright law, but what's the best way to do it here?

I've got the perfect music to bed under my submission, but I'd rather not end up in court. What should I do? Is using less than 2 minutes of a copyrighted piece of music ok? What if I loop or otherwise alter it?

Submitted by painkillerthepigeon on May 15, 2007 - 2:29pm.

What you're asking to do (put a little bit of copywritten music under your submission) is well within the realm of Fair Use Laws. Its not for profit, it's not even really for distribution, and so long as it doesn't harm the commercial potential of the music you're using (say, putting it under offensive dialogue or something), you will NOT end up in court. Unless the copyright holders are vindictive. So don't use any Little Richard. He's a tenacious little chihuahua!

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Submitted by Elizabeth Venable on May 15, 2007 - 2:26pm.

What i did was asked an unsigned, independent artist that i knew and told her that i would cite her on my link. She was more than happy and now hopefully she is getting some clicks on her myspace. Simple enough, and free.

Elizabeth

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Submitted by Pete Moore on May 15, 2007 - 11:43am.

Did anyone catch Morning Edition today when Steve Inskeep interviewed the Pink Martinis? When the lead singer was asked to sing the theme song to The Jeffersons, she asked, "Can I do that? Are we covered to play that?"

Steve answered, "We're covered under Fair Use. We can use a minute of anything!"

From the horse's mouth. Now, where are the NPR lawyers at when Steve needed them?

Submitted by radiogrrl on May 15, 2007 - 1:43pm.

That heffa got the words wrong, too. I was too through...

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Submitted by JeSais on May 13, 2007 - 1:48pm.

I have background music on mine... me and my friend just noodling around one Sunday afternoon. Me playing guitar badly, she on harmonica...
pretty sure no self-respecting artist would claim we gripped his/her music

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Submitted by nurmihusa on May 1, 2007 - 11:52am.

Copyright comes down to that. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

If you're a creative person, how would you feel about someone taking your work and using it whole cloth in their work with no nod, let alone cash money, back in your direction. This idea that creative people should be giving their work away is pernicious. We don't expect lawyers and accountants and bus drivers to do what they do solely for the applause. Why do we always seem to expect creatives to do that?

Not right.

Hence, COPYright.

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Submitted by ThumbprintMedia on May 1, 2007 - 12:02am.

In this blogroll,four entries address two significant concepts. First off, from an aesthetic standpoint most royalty free musical content and loops are horrible and wouldn't even hold up in elevators, and don't even think about using MIDI loops unless you built the machine, a casual listen of NPR's top tier programs should dissuade anyone from wanting to include such audio slices in their next generation Public Radio (PR) shows. So originality cannot be squeezed out of a paid for tin can. Now, what is considered public domain (PD)?, it takes a bit of a stretch to understand that this is content which the corporations would like to make profit off of. If I am to believe that musical content created before 1922 is worth using, then please tell me which advertisers are using those tunes to push soap on us, they don't for good reason-current trends sell, which also points to one of PR's shortcomings. PR has worked hard in the last decade pushing for supporter dollars with generally the same results which can be evidenced by a dearth of any cutting edge content. Now, don't misread me I fell in love with NPR and PRI 15 years ago when I threw my TV out, no other medium evokes pictures and sentiment, better than radio does. To frame the concept of PD differently think about the Daily Show, they slice and dice the news universe for their content, and I doubt that they retain high-priced copyright lawyers; each time they spotlight the gaffes of various CNN, FoxNews, or MSNBC anchors, whom are already armchair sales staff themselves; and if they do then Comedy Central is just plain dumb.

One can argue that all new art is based upon the concept of Fair Use (FR) because by its very nature, art in all its forms is derivative, it is the originality of the spin that matters the most. Now, I use the term spin without political inflection, because when a new artist interprets current content to her own sensibilities, they are free to lead in new directions, remember that Brian Eno took cues from the Baroque in conceptualizing Ambient Music, listen to Discreet Music. With today's technology one can stretch the notes and melody of a familiar, or copyrighted tune towards infinity, transforming it into something called generic; it sounds and feels the same as the original, but is somehow "different', and does not ooze any cheese. Eventually all uniquely created content goes generic, but it is in the interpretation that counts. I might also add that original content can also sound or become generic without intending to be. Even the Daily Show does not aim to materially defame anyone, they do it to themselves, and Jon Stewart is just holding up the mirror.

What does this all have to do with Web 2.0 or PR in general? My guess is that because PR now knows, through focus groups and polls that it lives in, a quantity based communications universe, and that its best hope is to mainstream or die, so if the multi-platform competitors don't eat it, then the exploding Web will. A new generation of artists will populate the Web with astounding original content, including PR style Web Radio, which is yes, derivative in nature, should these artists ask the media universe to license them?, I think not. An artist with a drive to succeed will employ the public relations value of the Web to do it for them and at the same time they will control all revenue due them, which will not be from GE, Microsoft, Amazon or Phillip Morris, and in so doing will circumvent the copyright issue altogether. Now, back to this contest; PR will only continue to thrive when it can let go of its own notions of what makes great radio, and it has more to do with content than whom hosts various programs, I can tell you that the Ira Glass we listen to now, did not see himself as a great host to begin with, he grew into that role by learning the art of communication, which is 80% contributer content and 20% personailty.

Submitted by ursabear on April 29, 2007 - 9:04am.

BTW, the "owners" of the music are the persons with whom you must work in order to deal with licensing. Sometimes that is the artist(s), sometimes not.

There are a large number of interesting tunes that are free-license, too. And, there are some artists who will gladly allow you to use their music as background/intro/outgo for free.

Jimmy
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Submitted by Jenathan on April 29, 2007 - 7:05am.

Thanks for helping to clarify this music mess. As you may have guessed, my main concern was getting disqualified.

I found some royalty free music downloads http://www.pdinfo.com/download.htm and some of them are pretty hilarious. How could you pass up Groove-A-Holic or Fiddlesticks? The downloads are expensive ($24!) but the audio quality is decent and it's recorded by real musicians, not midi.

Too expensive for me this round, but it's good to know it's out there. In the mean time, I think I'll stick with a 10 second intro and outro clip. Thanks again for the advice.

Jen Nathan
www.7NathanArmy.com

Submitted by Pete Moore on April 28, 2007 - 8:47am.

Great question. While there are no hard and fast rules, I found the following criteria which play into whether or not something could be considered "fair use":

Fair Use is not a set of laws or rules, but a defense to copyright infringement based on the following criteria:

  • Purpose of the use - commercial or private
  • Nature of the work
  • Amount and substance of the portion you use compared to the entire work as a whole
  • Effect of the use on the the value of the original

Again, you can't say that "because I'm using this for non-commercial purposes, it's okay to use." In fact, the above source goes on to say:

"...other than private in-home listening and playing, Fair Use of music is extremely limited."

I think that, even when you consider looping a track that's under copyright, the "amount of the portion you use compared to the entire work as a whole" would be substantial.

So, here are a couple things you might consider:

1) Use public domain music or free music loops.

2) Ask an artist directly to use his/her music in your piece.

3) Use music that people are making available for free download off of the internet (myspace, last.fm and purevolume).

4) As per the contest host's suggestion, think about using only 10-15 seconds of a copyrighted song as an intro/outro to your piece, versus a bed for the entire piece.

Good luck!

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Submitted by Janean on April 28, 2007 - 7:26pm.

Pete, good advice on #2. But following #3, #4, or the first part of #1 could get an entry pulled from the contest for copyright violation.

Free downloads: Just because an artist (or fan) has made an MP3 available for download doesn't give us legal rights to use it in a recording like this. In most cases, it's meant for listening for private in-home listening/playing. In other cases (especially last.fm), it's an out-of-country URL and not subject to U.S. rules. However, U.S. rules apply to usage of the music in our contest entries.

Public domain music: I think you meant "Royalty-free music." Unfortunately, there are NO public domain recordings right now.

Using only 10-15 seconds of a copyrighted piece: This web site's description of a court case might give you nightmares. In "Bridgeport Music, Inc. et. al. vs. Dimension Films et. al.," the Court found that the use of 3 notes, lasting 2 seconds (then looped) was NOT "fair use."

So what is fair game? There is public domain SHEET music that you can perform yourself free and clear. There are people who have performed public domain music and made those available without royalties. Stick with these, or ask the artist for permission, or use your own compositions performed by yourself and/or friends, and you're home free.

Yeah, I know it's confusing and downright annoying. Some artists and their labels would welcome getting some publicity like this and wouldn't complain at all. It's like trespassing -- some people don't mind, others will prosecute you (or shoot on sight ;-p)

Bottom line: If an artist or label finds out about an unauthorized usage and complains to the PRTQ, they HAVE to pull the 'offending' entry. That means the entry is OUT, and so is the contestant. Why take the risk?

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Submitted by Pete Moore on April 28, 2007 - 11:23pm.

Great clarity, Janean. And I think you made an important distinction: while using copyrighted music may or may not have lawsuit implications (depending how each element of "fair use" is applied), there's certainly a greater chance of it causing your submission to go to the end of the pile in this competition. To quote, "Why take the risk?"

Several applications (Garageband, etc.) come with perfectly good, perfectly legal loops to use. Stick with what's safe. Plus, good hostiness doesn't required a lot of excess audio!

Good luck to you both.

Submitted by Janean on April 29, 2007 - 12:38pm.

Just a post-script: I really know what you mean. You won't be SUED for putting music in an entry like this, but you/PRTQ might be sent a cease-and-desist letter, in which case PRTQ would pull the entry.

I do a music show, and I want to use clips of music. I've contacted the copyright owners, and it takes weeks or months to get a full legal stamp of approval to use something. And then there are specific questions we need to answer.

How many people will have access to the work? (It's on a public website, anyone visiting can access it.)
How long of a time frame will it be available? (The contest voting period continues through May, but it looks like the entries will be up for the duration of the contest - through 2007. No idea if they will continue to be available after that period.)

And then I find out that permission is granted PENDING THE AUTHOR'S APPROVAL OF THE FINISHED PIECE. To which I'm thinking, the authors are going to LISTEN TO THIS??? WOW. That's just... wow. Some of my idols, the songwriters and lyricists whose work I couldn't live without, are going to listen to MY WORK? That's REALLY impressive, and scary!

So, um, no I haven't posted my entry yet ;-p

Anyway, Jenathan, don't waste time -- if you want specific music, contact the copyright holders ASAP. Prepare two versions of your entry, one with the music and one without. Send the entry with the music to the copyright holders and say this is what you WANT to do with the music, these are the circumstances, please may you have permission. Chances are, you'll get it... it just might not be in time to enter the contest ;-x But at least you'll have tried.

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Submitted by mymagoogle on May 1, 2007 - 7:17am.

At this point I have actually listened to everything posted, which is somewhere around 250-300 or so. IMHO stop spending time worrying about the rights to the music and focus more on you, your voice, your entry, your text, your first 15 seconds.
The music never swayed my vote towards the positive as it just sounded like the person has been in the business longer with all the sound recording gizmos and not that the person has better hostiness. In some cases the music swung my vote towards the negative because it boxed the entry into a style.

Submitted by radiogrrl on May 14, 2007 - 6:25am.

I find music on these entries are more distracting for me than anything. Music is such an active thing for me, I pay more attention to it than what someone is saying. I'm not a passive music listener, and I can rarely do anything but listen to it when I hear it.

I want to hear more of the 'host' instead of the music or other production elements.

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